Hello Terry - I always enjoy your (thinking out loud) threads. I can't imagine deleting any of those 52 as virtuous attributes. While some may appear to be somewhat unnecessary, or contradictory, I think that to cope with all the diverse situations and dilemas of life 'virtuously¡, we would need them all and quite often at that. Aggression isn't thought of as particularly virtuous, but in rare circumstances, it is the only viable response. Virtues seem the antidote for traits universally repugnant in ourselves or others, arrogance, cowardice,self righteousness, narcissism, ridgidity, treachery ....
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Is DISMISSING others a really really BAD habit?
by Terry inif the facts are on our side we simply present those facts and allow the evidence to speak for itself.. however, if we are short on facts--what then?.
more and more i detect a trend among those who publicly disagree: they simply dismiss others without resorting to facts.. one's opponent in an opinion war is labeled as "unworthy" of being listened to.
dismissed, shunned, shut down and waved away!.
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Is There A Part Of You Still Left In The Organization?
by ÁrbolesdeArabia inevery soldier entering the war zone leaves behind a little piece of themself.
the gulf war is estimated to cost the v.a.
billions of dollars in disability because of the affects the war has had on these young and middle age soldiers.
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Anyone who has kids or grandkids still in has a BIG and painfull part still in .
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Hello from North Dakota
by ndmom73 ini am fairly new here.
i came across this site a few years ago and tried to join but i wasn't approved as a member for whatever reason.
well, recently i came across this site again and decided to reapply to be a member and it was approved.
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Lisa Welcome! Welcome! Welcome! I was touched by your experience as a young one - it mirrors my own childrens youth to a Tee - I even have a grand-daughter who thanks her mother repeatedly for not raising her a JW, like her cousins. You are among friends now, so ahre and enjoy.
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QR codes: a way to stop APOSTATES !!!
by raymond frantz ininteresting meeting today.the do had the last talk and he mentioned a couple of things i have not heard before :.
1) the new lighter magazines are designed in a way to attract people to our website .
2)the ministry will change to incoprorate preacing in town centres and and with stands as in manhattan and certain brothers will be allocated to do this .so it is done now in a big scale ,organised.. 3)the qr codes at the back of the magazines are there for smart phone users to guide them directly to jw.org ,unlike bad old internet via laptops and pc's that you have to look for the website on google and sometimes end up in enemy websites that look like our website but are spreading lies about jw's (he said exactly that!
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Just a tech question - what are the little coloured geometric things between a posters name and the thread title on JWN?
People in a laundromat, etc. have idle time to kill - the codes on stickers seem like an efficient way to redirect their interest.
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Would this work? Be honest. Brutal if necessary.
by okage ini feel i must preface this with context so as to make the intention understandable: .
to jehovah's witnesses and their apologists, that goal is destruction of truth and the downfall of jehovah's witnesses.
but that's not our goal.
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Chaserious-
Canada, USA, Oz and Europe are the WTs bread basket - also the most likely populations to care about social change- because they are used to people fighting for (and being granted) rights and freedoms.
JWs are a rare target - they are one of the English worlds smallest, yet most recognisable and most disliked religions.
If the public who already dislikes being annoyed by them, were to even remotely grasp the 'secret' social damage, depression,and suicide that results from cults that shun, I'm certain there would grow a natural curiousity about any movement or campaign to demand changes.
You have acknowledged that we easily field thousands, and if class action were ever a posibility- millions could be involved (everyone who is shunned and damaged by their policies- and who isn't?
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Would this work? Be honest. Brutal if necessary.
by okage ini feel i must preface this with context so as to make the intention understandable: .
to jehovah's witnesses and their apologists, that goal is destruction of truth and the downfall of jehovah's witnesses.
but that's not our goal.
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Also (can you tell I'm excited?)
'1914 -2014' could be celebrated in a most fitting way - by bringing an end to 100 years of psycological and emotional abuse by the JW cult.
Loz pointed out the futility of trying to bring down the society- granted.
But, do we not have a moral responsibility to our families and those regrouping with us at this board for comfort, to try a strategic, well planned and deliberate effort to effect change? if it is within our power?
There's 11 months 'til 2014. Whether the WT plans to 'spin' that date or hope it fades into dusty hisory - WE can make it a year JWs will never forget - the year the society was made to face up to (maybe change , maybe abandon) their most vile practice!
Plus the great satisfaction of launching a pre-emptive strike that can never be mistaken for the late, unfocused, dismal glow of 'Noo Lite' !
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Would this work? Be honest. Brutal if necessary.
by okage ini feel i must preface this with context so as to make the intention understandable: .
to jehovah's witnesses and their apologists, that goal is destruction of truth and the downfall of jehovah's witnesses.
but that's not our goal.
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It seems to me the ultimate goal would be, to have the society put in a very public and embarrassing situation with regard to their own shunning policies.
Would it be possible to orchestrate an amnesty -under which people could leave the WT without repurcussions during a given week, or month ?
Think of the negative publicity if the society refused! and then the negative publicityagain if, even after the letter writing, a class action suit and an amnesty situation, they still plowed ahead and began the Nazi process of disfellowshipping all those, who had just sought religious freedom from them - by private letter writing, by seeking court assistanced annullments and finally physically walking out the door.
Like the civil rights struggle in the 50-60s - somewhere along the line - others have to take notice that freedoms are at stake and people are being persecutedif not hated by a religious group - how embarrassing to be that group
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Would this work? Be honest. Brutal if necessary.
by okage ini feel i must preface this with context so as to make the intention understandable: .
to jehovah's witnesses and their apologists, that goal is destruction of truth and the downfall of jehovah's witnesses.
but that's not our goal.
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I think that the proper letter writing strategy is an excellent - done exactly as their own campaign was with Malawi Let the vile dictator know what you think and how he looks to the rest of the world - and sink them in paperwork just for fun - also don't forget to ask a theocratic question ot two - just to see if you get a reply. hehe
And yes, I wrote to the stupid and arrogant Hastings Banda just like the rest of you did). I'll write a helluvalot more than once this time.
Letters especially when shared with your local newspaper have great impact - I always read the letters from our local papers because they are, after all our own nieghbours expressing themselves . Take advantage of free expression-which the wt hates . and highlite the issue of freedom of religion - another issue the wt hates.
I feel the letters should be formatted here by those with the skills and then personalized by all of us for our own purposes.
What about thousands and thousands of people filing, all within a given time, seeking the courts assistance to have our baptisms annulled?
Would this force a class action suits and get that is as aprecedent for freenom of religion? Band on the run- any thoughts ? Class action would also liberate all those persecuted for life as apostates. (The society keeps your DF card and marks on it when you die!)
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Would this work? Be honest. Brutal if necessary.
by okage ini feel i must preface this with context so as to make the intention understandable: .
to jehovah's witnesses and their apologists, that goal is destruction of truth and the downfall of jehovah's witnesses.
but that's not our goal.
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okage - thank you, thank you for casting your bread on our waters.
My one frustration, in the year or so I've been here,is that we are all, (at least I am) full of talk and no actions.
I am certainly willing to act on a well orchestrated, multi-pronged assault that brings well deserved disgrace on that filthy organisation, that thinks I don't desrve to see my grandkids.
A little girl named Rosa Parks changed American history, by carefully planning a small, justifiable act that ignited the unity and recaptured the rights and dignity of a whole society.
If thousands of us with the talent, knowledge and passion displayed in this (and other forums) around the world can't rock the Watchtowers delusional little world - then we are the ones who deserve the disgrace.
More later - GfG
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Why WTBTS Disfellowshipping Works...
by AGuest into the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace!.
i just wanted to share with you, briefly, what i have come to understand as to why disfellowshipping by the wtbts works... why it can continue being fomented as it is.
i realize there are pages and pages of studies regarding cults and cult mindsets, etc., but i am not going to inundate you with such but rather try to keep this simple.
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LisaRose and Tec -
If friends like you had served as 'ministers' at my congregation, I would have attended (gladly) my judicial hearings.
My family may have been spared a lifetime of anger and frustration.
GfG